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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:04 pm 
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Hey guys, here is a short story for you :D

First of all I got banned on German-Elite-Gamer-Inf server. Funny thing is, HOW I got banned. I was leading the scoreboard, then a guy from the other team applied for commander (the server has got the no commander rule -.-). So yea, he was in the same team with an admin, and played for like 10 minutes with commander. I was like damn, I'll apply too, they have one and we don't, its not fair. After less than 30 seconds the admin realized we have a commander too (myself), and instantly kicked their commander. I instantly resigned as commander and typed in chat that now it's fair play again and I resign. After like 30 seconds the admin simply banned (yes, banned) me. Yea, thats the story, so be careful how you choose servers to play on. Also, -1 gold medal for me :(

Conclusion: until they have a commander and we dont, its all fair, haha (even if its against the rules)! Dunno if its perma or temp ban, but I honestly do not care as I'll never go back there :D

Edit: I also ranked up on that server, so even that was ruined (weird bf2stats doesnt show my rank up though)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:50 pm 
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How was admin side playing??, did they have major but kicking for lifetime going on or did they run the game?....

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Well it was pretty much a balanced game, MEC (our team) almost got uncapped all flags but made a comeback hehe (points like 130:180 if I remember well?)

PS: I got my rank up finally ^^ /happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:51 pm 
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Dronte wrote:
Well it was pretty much a balanced game, MEC (our team) almost got uncapped all flags but made a comeback hehe (points like 130:180 if I remember well?)

PS: I got my rank up finally ^^ /happy

Ok... I just ask beacuse GR server has same rule ( No commander) and they did have admin and commander same side.. But score was like 200 vs 30 so it did not bother me.....

Did you get what i am meaning?...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:17 pm 
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sgt._hapa wrote:
Dronte wrote:
Well it was pretty much a balanced game, MEC (our team) almost got uncapped all flags but made a comeback hehe (points like 130:180 if I remember well?)

PS: I got my rank up finally ^^ /happy

Ok... I just ask beacuse GR server has same rule ( No commander) and they did have admin and commander same side.. But score was like 200 vs 30 so it did not bother me.....

Did you get what i am meaning?...

Yea sure I understood :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:14 pm 
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This is why admins should not be able to kick or ban players on ranked servers. Its also why I did not shed a tear when MW2 missed out dedicated servers.

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Its also why I did not shed a tear when MW2 missed out dedicated servers.


Sure some servers have bad admins, and they are easier enough to avoid.

But having dedicated servers allows admin to ban no good hackers, too. If they was a near prefect way to stop 90% of cheaters, dedi servers wouldnt be needed. But until Anti-Cheat programs become good enough, dedi servers are the best way of keeping dirty scumbags to a minimum.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:25 pm 
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Yep, and some admins don't know a cheater from their elbow lol.

Renting servers is easy. Running, keeping them as cheat free and fair as possible is not.

To those who moan about being banned? If it was your fault, tough! If it wasn't play somewhere else and forget whoever banned you. I think thats plan B isn't it? ;)

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Evil_Black_Fox wrote:
This is why admins should not be able to kick or ban players on ranked servers.

Unbelievable!
Early contender for most stupid comment of 2011.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:43 am 
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Evil_Black_Fox wrote:
This is why admins should not be able to kick or ban players on ranked servers.

Unbelievable!
Early contender for most stupid comment of 2011.

No actually its based on the fact that admins can kick or ban players for more than just cheating. Its common practice in BF2 for admins to just make up rules that change what is supposed to be a ranked game into a custom game just because they can't deal with people playing the game the way they want. Its not stupid to want ranked games to be universal no matter what server you join. Its plain stupid to allow admins to kick or ban a player just because they don't like the way they play the game.

Here is an example of stupid:
No fighting commander
No attacking certain flags
No C4 ramming
No cartillery
No hangar bombing
No using a certain weapon
No being the commander
No solo gunning
No using a certain vehicle
No C4 jumping
No C4ing or flashing team mates
Wait in line for a vehicle

If these things were not intended then they should have been coded out of the game. I understand these things can be annoying but admins should not be allowed to kick players just because they are annoyed. There is always going to be something annoying in a video game. Just find a way to get around it or don't play, but don't try to force people into being easy on you. That's the whole point of playing online. To face real thinking opponents who can do what they want. Not to face predicable bots who just idle waiting for you to come out of an uncap for example.

If you think my comment was stupid then obviously you are a complete noob and probably someone who does not feel the publishers should be held accountable for fixing well known issues with their games.

The only purposes I see for having dedicated servers is to allow high player counts, to reduce or eliminate host advantage, and to set server options such as map size and friendly fire on/off. Not to have in game admins kick or ban players even if they think they are cheating. I say think because if the anti cheat isn't kicking them then you can't prove anything.

Now if I get kicked then Ill just return and play how I usually want to. If I get banned from a server for breaking a rule its just one server I wont have to remember is full of noobs.

To anyone who gets banned and was not cheating they should be proud IMO.

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I forgot to add no bunny hopping to my stupid reasons to kick or ban players :)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:38 am 
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Evil_Black_Fox wrote:
The only purposes I see for having dedicated servers is to allow high player counts, to reduce or eliminate host advantage, and to set server options such as map size and friendly fire on/off.

Dedi's are in locations with better network infrastructure, have higher bandwith, better performance and are always online. Those are already enough reasons for me to have dedicated servers.

A full 64 slots BF2 server with everything enabled will be completely crap on a cheap ADSL home connection. Without dedicated servers, games such as BF2 and BC2 wouldn't exist the way they do now.

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Not to have in game admins kick or ban players even if they think they are cheating.

That would still happen regardless if the server is dedicated or not.
Don't blame the way the server is being hosted, blame the people that regulate it.
If you do not agree with the rules they have - ask DaHappyCamper for advice or start your own server.

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I say think because if the anti cheat isn't kicking them then you can't prove anything.

Never heard of PB screenshots or BattleRecorder?

I'm glad companies are hosting dedicated servers in good datacenters and people are paying for it. This way you and me don't have to connect and play on some kid's crappy pc with a crappy connection until he decides to shut down his pc halfway during the game.

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Twiebie wrote:
Evil_Black_Fox wrote:
The only purposes I see for having dedicated servers is to allow high player counts, to reduce or eliminate host advantage, and to set server options such as map size and friendly fire on/off.

Dedi's are in locations with better network infrastructure, have higher bandwith, better performance and are always online. Those are already enough reasons for me to have dedicated servers.
Thats what I said, reduce and or eliminate host advantage.
A full 64 slots BF2 server with everything enabled will be completely crap on a cheap ADSL home connection. Without dedicated servers, games such as BF2 and BC2 wouldn't exist the way they do now.
What does that have to do with anything? I never said deticated servers were bad, I just didn't miss the stupid admins in MW2.
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Not to have in game admins kick or ban players even if they think they are cheating.

That would still happen regardless if the server is dedicated or not.
Don't blame the way the server is being hosted, blame the people that regulate it.
If you do not agree with the rules they have - ask DaHappyCamper for advice or start your own server.
Okay then I believe that dedicated servers should not be regulated by local server admins. The ability to kick and ban by someone other than the anti cheat program or game publisher is wrong. Nobody should be able to tell players how they can play the game if it is recording official stats, not even if they pay for the server because they agree to the terms and conditions when they do as part of the deal.
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I say think because if the anti cheat isn't kicking them then you can't prove anything.

Never heard of PB screenshots or BattleRecorder?
I hear there are haxs designed to turn off when PB takes a screen shot
I'm glad companies are hosting dedicated servers in good datacenters and people are paying for it. This way you and me don't have to connect and play on some kid's crappy pc with a crappy connection until he decides to shut down his pc halfway during the game.
Like I said no host advantage.

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Id say at least 90% of the admins Iv met feel they can do whatever they want and that they can do no wrong. They are the type of people I want to see have autistic children or be shot in the face in front of their family. And to be honest I would rather deal with hackers than trying to find a server with mature admins and no rules limiting gameplay.

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Id say at least 90% of the admins Iv met feel they can do whatever they want and that they can do no wrong. They are the type of people I want to see have autistic children or be shot in the face in front of their family. And to be honest I would rather deal with hackers than trying to find a server with mature admins and no rules limiting gameplay.


For crying out loud!! IT IS A GAME!!!!!!!!

If you get this aggressive and nasty-minded about people playing a game, then maybe you need to attend some anger-management classes, pal?

Sheesh...

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They are the type of people I want to see have autistic children or be shot in the face in front of their family


Did you really just type that? Seriously get a grip. One argument of yours basically says:
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If these things were not intended then they should have been coded out of the game


Ok fair enough but then you say this:
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And to be honest I would rather deal with hackers


So I guess hackers are playing as the game was intended?

Please! It's easy to stick the knife in when you don't or never have run a server yourself. I agree some servers are over admined (mine was at one point too). However think of a more constructive argument in future.

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